Where the heck are these?

"Jagvar" (Jagvar)
09/25/2013 at 15:46 • Filed to: None

Why do I see Velosters everywhere, yet never see the current-model Genesis coupe? To me, the Genesis has way more appeal.

DISCUSSION (24)

BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast. > Jagvar
09/25/2013 at 15:49

I don't get their lack of appeal, either.

They aren't the prettiest, but a damn sight better than most soft-style CUVs and boring sedans.

Helluva lot better looking and performing than a Veloster.

The only thing I can think of, is that the demographic for less practical vehicles with a performance edge, is young people... and they aren't buying cars... and if they do, perhaps "greenie" cars, not sporty cars.

All I can think of is that the audience for this car must be getting UNFORTUNATELY small. And I really don't like that implication about the auto industry or customer base.

bkempert > Jagvar
09/25/2013 at 15:51

Around me, at least, I've seen about an equal number of each. I agree though, the coupe has much more appeal to me.

ZeroOrDie - Powered By MZR > Jagvar
09/25/2013 at 15:52

I think everyone looked at the genesis. Compared it to other cars and then bought said cars. Like people that bought 350Zs and then were like...whoops.

4B11tFTW! > Jagvar
09/25/2013 at 15:58

I actually see them pretty often. I'm still more preferable to the first gen body though

IDROVEAPICKUPTRUCK > Jagvar
09/25/2013 at 15:59

Just look at your other options in the same price range:

Mustang

FRS/BRZ

370z

Camaro

GTI

A multitude of low mileage used cars such as:

S2000

RX8

E46 M3

E90

Boxer

G35

etc etc etc.

I really can't find a compelling reason to buy a Genesis. The only justification for buying a hyundai is that it's cheaper than the competition and a good deal, in the case of the Genesis it fails miserably.

ddavidn > Jagvar
09/25/2013 at 16:02

I'd save the $7,000 and buy the Veloster too. Then use the $7,000 to tune it. Or buy the Veloster Turbo and have $2,000 to tune. But I like hatchbacks...

Decay buys too many beaters > BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast.
09/25/2013 at 16:04

Blame the FRZ, 370Z, and Mustang.

Want handling? FRZ>Genesis

Want Power? Mustang/370Z>Genesis

Jayhawk Jake > Jagvar
09/25/2013 at 16:08

While I agree with questioning the proliferation of these, comparing it to a Veloster isn't even remotely fair

Veloster is much cheaper, has more doors, and a functional trunk.

I've ranted about this time and time again, so here's the short version. Sports cars DO NOT compare to hatchbacks, at least not fairly.

BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast. > Decay buys too many beaters
09/25/2013 at 16:18

Genesis should be able to carve it's own niche.

It is more comfortable than the smaller FRS/BRZ, with much more power base, and optional V6, with an IRS that Mustang doesn't yet have, and weighs much less than Camaro or Challenger, if not also less than Mustang, option for option.

Power?

V6 Genesis Coupe has about as much as 370Z, and well more than Mustang V6, and costs less than Infiniti G-coupe with rear seats that 370Z doesn't have. It is also less expensive than the Mustang GT, option for option, as well as most optioned V8 Camaros or Challengers. BRZ doesn't even come close to the power level.

It has RWD that Civic, Forte, Focus, and others don't. It is less expensive than G37X or Audi A5 with AWD. (although I think Subaru could do it, if they had wanted to, at Genesis' price point)

Genesis Coupe SHOULD be the bullseye between all those other cars, yet it isn't.

Maybe if it were drop-dead gorgeous, it would fare better than the gaping maw and droopy quarter window it has...

But if I were in the market for a sport coupe, rather than an AWD utility vehicle, I would seriously consider a Genesis V6 GT or Track 6-speed. And the 2.0T version isn't much of a slouch, either.

Decay buys too many beaters > BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast.
09/25/2013 at 16:26

Sorry I have not heard that term, what does IRS stand for?

And I agree the Genesis is a great car, it's just not the best in any given area. I test drove most of those cars earlier this year when I was shopping around. I ended up going with an FR-S because it just felt "better" to me. Honestly, the Genesis was tied for third in the final decision with the Fiat Abarth, both behind the Fiesta ST. Then again, if my other top choices did not give enough of a hint, I tend to very strongly prefer smaller cars. One point against the Genesis for me was that it felt really big.

Pessimippopotamus > IDROVEAPICKUPTRUCK
09/25/2013 at 16:50

Not only that, car purchases are emotional. Hyundai brand just doesn't elicit that much emotion from enthusiasts, which the car aims for, even if the Genesis is a nice car.

BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast. > Jayhawk Jake
09/25/2013 at 16:51

Frankly, both Genesis Coupe, and FRS/BRZ should have been 3-door fastbacks, and Mustang should have brought that back, too.

vertical 3-door boxy hatchbacks are kind of boxy, and anti-sleek.

Sleeker, better looking coupes, seem to be saddled with tiny trunk lids, even if the real estate of the trunk floor isn't bad, and the seats fold down. (you can't say that a Golf or Veloster has tons of floorplan space, just a wider opening portal)

A fastback 3-door is the best of both worlds, and for some reason, they are gone for the most part.

Nissan Z has one... and Cayman has one... but both are minimal-length, and only 2-seaters. You cant fold down non-existant rear seats, and Z has a chassis brace that can't move, and Cayman has an engine right there. (but also has a front trunk, too, to make up some more room.)

A 2+2 fastback with a liftback hatch is a GREAT body style. I had two, and loved them... a Fox Mustang, and a 93 Ford Probe GT. I could move my entire college room of stuff when I was in school.

Patrick George > Jagvar
09/25/2013 at 17:07

You ever driven one? They seem great on paper, but they've never really been all that great to drive in real life. And as other folks said, it's in a really tough segment.

BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast. > Decay buys too many beaters
09/25/2013 at 17:22

IRS - Independent Rear Suspension. Mustang still uses a solid rear axle without joints to let the rear axle flex independently for right and left tires. That will change for the 2014.5/15 50th Anniversary new Mustang.

Genesis is a bit bigger than a compact, as all those other cars you mentioned are.

Fiesta and Fiat both being FWD, aren't quite the same as a RWD Genesis, FRS, or Mustang.

It depends on what your preferred dynamics response is. Some prefer the flickability of light weight, regardless of the car pushing or pulling itself along.

Other people prefer the balance throttle-control and weight transfer effects of a RWD car over FWD, even if FWD examples are lighter weight.

Some people prefer the smallest possible envelope, others prefer a bit more interior room and a sleeker, longer form with more interior volume, and a longer wheelbase, even if it means a couple of extra pounds.

But if Genesis felt big to you... then a Camaro or Challenger, or CTS Coupe, etc... would be ginormous.

offroadkarter > Jagvar
09/25/2013 at 17:23

they redesigned it and made it look really fucking ugly, thats why you don't see them anymore

Captain_Overboost > offroadkarter
09/25/2013 at 17:34

Bingo. I used to love them. I really had no use for one, but I considered one for my son, etc. Then they redesigned that front fascia and it ended up looking like a bucket full of hairy ass. Instantly went from, " yeah I might see a use for one of those someday " to " Do. Not. Want. Kthanxbye ".

Decay buys too many beaters > BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast.
09/25/2013 at 17:41

They did feel huge, it's why my test drives of the Mustang, Camaro, and Challenger, did not last very long. In the end agility played a much bigger role in my decision than power. Although I'll be the first to admit, the FR-S does not give me the same goofy smile as the more powerful cars when merging or passing.

Bruno Martini > Jagvar
09/25/2013 at 18:19

Its a hundai that wants to be a sports car. Fail on all counts. They don't even compare them to anything anymore. The 4 cyl is anemic, and the v6 while nice, is not up to par with its price range. So its stuck between mustang v6 and mustang gt with a mustang gt price range. Why buy a hopped up v6 when you can get a v8 becomes the question. And dont give fuel economy. No one buys a sports car with fuel economy in mind, and even then the stang v6 beats it for 5k less while nearly matching power.

Casper > Jagvar
09/25/2013 at 18:28

It's a combination of price, competition, and availability. The Genesis Coupe with options is not a cheap car and hard to find with the right ones. Yes, the base model starts down around the price of an FR-S, but the vast majority of them available are over $30,000 with the options selected and not many people qualify to order one to spec... or have interest to that level.

Jayhawk Jake > BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast.
09/25/2013 at 19:02

100% agree. I don't understand why these coupes, and even extending that to the Civic and Forte coupes, aren't liftgates.

If Toyota can make the Scion look like a coupe but have a liftgate, everyone else should be able to pull it off

I like hatchbacks, but I'd agree that coupes/fastbacks are better to look at. That being said, back to Jagvar's comment, there's a reason why more people will buy a hatchback than a coupe. I know, I bought a coupe and just traded it for a hatch. Even with plenty of floor space, and with seats that fold down, dealing with the trunk opening on a coupe was kind of a pain. Fishing long cargo through the passthrough was ultimately what drove me to switch, but carrying larger boxes as well, god damn impossible. For a 2 door the Koup was HUGE on the inside, but I could not fit a large box in the car anywhere but the passenger seat.

Considering that in this price range you likely only have one car, or maybe your car and a SO's car, more people will go for a Veloster, even if they'd prefer a Genesis, simply because they need better access. If the Genesis was a fastback, maybe it would be a different story.

I'd like to see someone apply the Skoda Twindoor to a small coupe, it would be fantastic.

Kinja'd!!!

BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast. > Jayhawk Jake
09/25/2013 at 19:08

Considering that BMW copied it for their X6...

I suggested a while back that BMW apply it to the upcoming 2-series coupe.

A 2-series RWD coupe, smaller than 4-series, but 2+2 rather than a Z4, with mini-6-series looks, a shark nose, and quarter windows and a roofline like the previous 6-series coupe, (e63 generation), incorporating the double-opening hatch (or just a single opening hatch, even...)

A decent I6 and 6-speed manual, and torque-biasing rear diff... good to go.

Or any company that comes out with such a RWD, or better for my case, an AWD sport coupe... I would be very interesting.

In a Mini; let them mock me as My Mini Countryman is higher than you > BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast.
09/25/2013 at 19:53

In Clearwater Florida, they're pretty much like the new Supra, people buy the turbo four tune it and wing it

AND DAMN DOES IT LOOK AWESOME WITH A CARBON FIBER HOOD

Kugelblitz > ddavidn
09/25/2013 at 20:59

Don't they are built really cheaply. My mechanic hates them, the low end models cannot even hold an alignment.

ddavidn > Kugelblitz
09/25/2013 at 23:57

Well... I'm never going to buy a Hyundai anything... So don't worry.